CCNP(TM) Switching Study Guide (Exam 640-504) (Book/CD)
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1 Can it Be anymore Boring
This book is so incredibly boring and that is coming from a person who eats up technical books, i found the chapters on appletalk extremly hard to follow! i would not use this book as your only source to study from, if you are depending on this book to pass the test, be prepared to take it again, cause it just doesn't cover the bases correctly. I recommend the Cisco press books covers the material without the flood of typos. After reading this book i really can't say i learned anything, definatly not worth the 50 bucks i paid for it!
2 Wading through the typos
This book does have a fair coverage of the various topics required for the Cisco exam, but is absolutely riddled with typos, inconsistencies and downright errors. A single thorough editing would have cleared up the vast majority of these problems.

I had to augment the book information with other information, including another 640-604 book, web information, etc. before I felt comfortable with the covered material.


3 Save Yourself many headaches and DO NOT BUY THIS BOOK!
(1000000/128) x 256 = 20000000

Anyone see anything wrong with this EIGRP calculation? Mistakes like this are all through this [cruddy]book. I put up with them all the way up to the EIGRP chapter when I was trying to understand the math behind the routing metrics. I have waisted 2 weeks of my time fighting through the mistakes in this book. Save yourself some headaches and do NOT buy this book. I will never by another Syngress book again. My better judgement against waisting money in any respect has kept me from thowing this book into the garbage. Maybe I can burn it in the fireplace this winter. It would make me feel better anyway. On to Cisco Press.


4 How Sad!
This book had so many errors that I couldn't believe it. I mean very easy to catch errors, typos, etc.

More disappointing was that the CD continued to have those same errors.

For example, it says that a PRIVATE address range was:

10.0.0.0 - 255.0.0.0

When the correct answer is:

10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255

Please do not buy this book! Unless you think its fun to constantly be checking with other sources to ensure what you are studying is correct.


5 Editor Seriously Needed
Just to reiterate what others have said, this book has so many errors it is difficult to trust it at any point at all. Whenever an author has trouble spelling "OSPF", (spelled "OPSF" numerous times) you know there are going to be other issues. I never write reviews, but felt it was my duty in this case to warn others. The material is difficult enough already without having to deal with this confusion.
6 Too Many Mistakes
I can only agree with the majority of previous reviews....I can get past the typos, and even the text referring to the wrong illustrations, but there are just too many critical errors in this book to use it for private study. I got part way through chapter 4 and found that every time I had difficulty I didn't know if it was the book or myself that was wrong.
I will be returning the CCNP box set that I brought and will be spending the extra to buy the the Cisco Press books. They may not be as user friendly as some, but technically they are more accurate.
7 Bad Series
This series from Syngress/Osbourne obviously has no editor or an editor without Industry knowledge. These books cover each objective and thats it, plus the objectives are revealed from the authors standpoint instead of Cisco's. They jump from objective to objective without tying information together. The editor also forgot to check continuity in the examples and figures of the text. A lot of the training aids are wrong with multiple spelling and translational errors that give the reader cause to second guess themselves as well as the book and it's authors. It is written from an informational standpoint instead of the authoritative standpoint which is required in a "teaching" book. Buy books from the creators of the tests (Cisco) or find a truly authoritative author and buy his/her books.
8 Dissapointed
I am half-way through this book and it has NUMEROUS mistakes. I find it hard to learn from a book where I have to question whether everything I read is correct or not. Luckily, if you are logical you'll spot the most obvious errors but it is dissapointing to say the least to be able to spot mistakes in areas that you have no background in.

I bought the book because I liked the way that it covered the exam topics and for the boatload of questions throughout the book. I don't know if the other books are any better, but with this one I find myself gathering information from other books and online sources to check what I'm reading. This is annoying if your trying to cover the information quickly.


9 Pretty good guide
I actually didn't buy this book, but spent *several* hours with it at the bookstore because I was frustrated with the book I did buy (Cisco's Routing Exam Guide--see my review on that too). Anyway, I didn't rate the book 5 stars simply because I didn't read the whole thing. I did read all of the BGP chapters and most of the OSPF chapters and found them very helpful. I got a lot more from those chapters than the from the Cisco book.
10 not perfect, but better than most
I found that their where some typo's, but that makes you pay attention more to the information, and not just absorb whatever information that you are given. Overall, I found the book to be very good. It could have had more information on OSPF and BGP, but their are entire books dedicated to each of these, so I am not going to fault the writer for not fitting it all in. Overall I am very satisfied with this book, and it will remain a reference book for many years to come. And yes I did pass on the first try.
11 Shoot the editor
This book covers some topics fairly well and others not so well. There are numerous errors in it and not just typos. A few of the other reviewers also noted this. Many of the errors are in critical places such as IP addresses in examples being wrong. If you already know the subjects somewhat, you'll know the errors when you see them. If you don't know the subjects, you'll be totally confused. This is the only CCNP book I've read so I can't recommend anything else but I don't recommend this one.
12 mediocre to poor resource!
Avoid this book. Mistakes, poor coverage of OSPF & BGP, poor "exam-sim" software. Spend your money elsewhere.
13 Too many mistakes
I agree entirely with R. Krisman ("Should be better." Far too many mistakes. I certainly learned a lot by troubleshooting the books errors, but much to my frustration. With so many good books in the market, this one needs a serious re-editing.
14 Excellent Book
This book is excellent. I glad I returned my sybex book for this one. I have checked out the CiscoPress, Sybex versions. The Sybex version was good until it got to BGP. The CiscoPress version doesn't share enough real life experience, it's more like a reference guide. The McGrawHill version is well written, very detailed, easy flow, and I want to give credit to Mark Buchmann, and Paul Hogrell. They did a fantastic job. This book will not just make you pass the test, it will help you be a better Network Engineer.
15 DO NOT READ THIS BOOK
I got half way through this book and gave up. There were SO MANY MISTAKES I could not believe it. This is the worst Study Guide I have ever read, DO NOT BUY IT.

The chapter on BGP was so confusing that I read the RFC instead !

I am now using Todd Lammle's Book instead, which is much better.


16 So many MISTAKES.
If the editors of this book had done their job, this would be a great study book. But, after just 2 chapters I have found many mistakes. The examples given are full of bad mistakes and this is where accuracy is crucial. We're not just talking misspelled words here. Text refers to graphics that don't show what the text is explaining. IP addresses are mistyped to the extent you can't figure out what they should have been. The errors were so distracting I couldn't concentrate on the points I was trying to learn. I only got through 2 chapters and am not going to waste any more time. Unfortunately, I also bought the 640-505 (BCRAN)book in this series at the same time I bought this. I will be returning them BOTH! TAKE HEED! Buy the Sybex (Todd Lammle) book instead. I, too, should have just waited for Lammle's book to come out.
17 TOO MANY MISTAKES
I used Todd's books to get My MCSE as well as my CCNA & CCDA. I Deserve this horrible book for not waiting for todd's book to come out. This is the worse Cisco book I have ever read. There are Mistakes after Mistakes. I takes you double the Time to read the book Because you keep going back and fixing authors mistakes. Mistakes are in Cisco Ios commands, VLSM And diagrams. Save Time and Money by Todd's Books

ANKUR RAWAT CCNA,CCDP, MCSE, MCSE+I,


18 mistakes, mistakes, and more mistakes
This book is by far the worst book I have ever read. After only reading 2 chapters I have found numerous mistakes, some of which made it very difficult to understand. Some of the scenario questions asked the reader to answer things that were not even covered at that point. I did however complete the reading of the entire book and was more confused then when I first started.

When trying to contact the author and editor for comments, I was passed from one HR personnel to another before eventually giving up.

I've developed technical courseware books in the past and highly recommend not to buy this book if you are studying for the CCNP Routing exam. Other recommendations would be to read the Exam Cram and Cisco Press Routing books.


19 Mistakes, repetitions, and disorganized
I found this book to be full of mistakes and repetitions. The material is very disorganized. It jumps from one topic to another without proper transition or explanation of terminology. It's very frustrating to read the book. I feel that each chapter (or even each section in a chapter) is written by different people. Poor cohesiveness. Don't recommend it. I will try a better-written text.
20 Chockful of Errors
Some good ideas, but confusion reigns with a multiplicity of errors. These aren't just charitably typo's, but downright mistakes.

Additionally, the book seems to be missing pieces that were intended to be included. Review sections refer to topics having just been covered - that were never mentioned at all in the preceding material!

From this, it seems it was rushed into print in order to capture the market for the new Cisco 640-503 test, in what is a most cynical manner, because if the intent is to teach, not just make money, then it's a failure to give people who are buying the product false information.

Too bad. It's a good pre-publication rough draft suitable for editorial review, not for sale. In my opinion Adam Osborne ought to give purchasers a refund. Or be sentenced to re-typeset it personally, using his original Osborne-1 transportable CP/M-80 machine...


21 Should be better!
All right fellow readers, bad news first!

Let me explain why I took away 2 stars.

Firstly, this book misses 1 * for numerous of typos, syntax errors, and logic errors all around the book. These errors will slow your study time down.

- Typos: when you see inconsistent diagram or R1 and R2 mistakenly switched, you'll have to think twice and reread the whole paragraph again to fit all things together. You can find this kind of errors all over the place. I found out that they're really annoying! They're not 'normal' typos like 'advaned' instead of 'advanced' which can be corrected quite easily using any word processors.

- Syntax error: if you take all the command syntax for granted and sit for the exam, you'll be in trouble. Always double check with Cisco web site or actual router commands or even another chapter of the book. For example, one chapter tells you that the command to change EIGRP hello-interval is ip eigrp hello-interval, while another chapter tells you is ip hello-interval eigrp which is off the correct one.

- Logic error: this is the worst error of all! I couldn't believe my eyes the Advanced EIGRP chapter teached me that the best path for EIGRP is the one with the highest metric, while the previous chapter just explained quite clearly that is the lowest one. It seems that the author of this chapter doesn't even understand the basic concept of EIGRP!

Secondly, I took another 1/2 * for lack of 100% of coverage as advertised. Where are the bgp peer group and bgp community sections as stated by official curriculum from Cisco? The basic coverage of BGP is also shallow.

Lastly, I took another 1/2 * for:

- Bad ExamSim software not as promised. The ExamSim only contains 65 questions taken from the book and that's it! No pools of questions and the test engine is not as sophisticated as it's advertised!

- Inconsistent style of writing

- Lack of correct configuration mode for the commands explained, i.e. you don't know whether the command is for interface or router configuration mode

- Not providing summary of commands in the end of chapters.

It will make the readers' life easier if the editors did their jobs properly to eliminate typos and errors and to make the style of writing consistent throughout the book. Anyway, that's what they are paid for, right?

Now, the good news for the sake of fairness!

The overall coverage of the book (although not 100% as explained before) can help you pass the CCNP Routing (640-503) exam, if you read carefully and sceptic enough and given the pass mark of the exam is still 690. That's what the 3 * for. I hope the publisher can make the book better in the next edition.

Conclusion: My suggestion is to get a better book while you could, like Cisco Press' CCNP Routing Exam Certification Guide, which is the best book I've ever seen so far for the Routing exam (their test engine is superb!). If this book is your only choice, just take it. Be patient, and cross check. You still can pass the exam like I did!

Router#end-review my-off


22 Should be better!
All right fellow readers, bad news first!

Let me explain why I took away 2 stars.

Firstly, this book misses 1 * for numerous of typos, syntax errors, and logic errors all around the book. These errors will slow your study time down.

- Typos: when you see inconsistent diagram or R1 and R2 mistakenly switched, you'll have to think twice and reread the whole paragraph again to fit all things together. You can find this kind of errors all over the place. I found out that they're really annoying! They're not 'normal' typos like 'advaned' instead of 'advanced' which can be corrected quite easily using any word processors.

- Syntax error: if you take all the command syntax for granted and sit for the exam, you'll be in trouble. Always double check with Cisco web site or actual router commands or even another chapter of the book. For example, one chapter tells you that the command to change EIGRP hello-interval is ip eigrp hello-interval, while another chapter tells you is ip hello-interval eigrp which is off the correct one.

- Logic error: this is the worst error of all! I couldn't believe my eyes the Advanced EIGRP chapter teached me that the best path for EIGRP is the one with the highest metric, while the previous chapter just explained quite clearly that is the lowest one. It seems that the author of this chapter doesn't even understand the basic concept of EIGRP!

Secondly, I took another 1/2 * for lack of 100% of coverage as advertised. Where are the bgp peer group and bgp community sections as stated by official curriculum from Cisco? The basic coverage of BGP is also shallow.

Lastly, I took another 1/2 * for:

- Bad ExamSim software not as promised. The ExamSim only contains 65 questions taken from the book and that's it! No pools of questions and the test engine is not as sophisticated as it's advertised!

- Inconsistent style of writing

- Lack of correct configuration mode for the commands explained, i.e. you don't know whether the command is for interface or router configuration mode

- Not providing summary of commands in the end of chapters.

It will make the readers' life easier if the editors did their jobs properly to eliminate typos and errors and to make the style of writing consistent throughout the book. Anyway, that's what they are paid for, right?

Now, the good news for the sake of fairness!

The overall coverage of the book (although not 100% as explained before) can make you pass the CCNP Routing (640-503) exam, if you read careful and sceptic enough and given the pass mark of the exam is still 690. That's what the 3 * for. I hope the publisher can make the book better in the next edition.

Conclusion: My suggestion is to get a better book while you could, like Cisco Press' CCNP Routing Exam Certification Guide, which is the best book I've ever seen so far for the Routing exam (their test engine is superb!). If this book is your only choice, just take it. Be patient, and cross check. You still can pass the exam like I did!

Router#end-review my-off


23 Many typo's and mistakes
Not a bad book - not great either. Just too many mistakes for a tech book, especially a study guide. However, if you can find the mistakes I guess you are learning! The CD is not the best, with a high percentage of questions that are simplistic and some others not worded well. Would make a good supliment book should you use more than one - which is the best idea anyway.
24 Many typo's and mistakes
I have read through this book twice and have noticed alot of typo's and MISTAKES. I suggest waiting until the first revision.
25 Text Good; CD Poor
The text of this book is quite good. The CD is bare bones compared to this series' BCRAN book/CD combination.

The CDs sell book. The info can be gotten any number of places. But the CD helps in preparing for the multiple choice test.

This CD is bare bones. Many of the questions are direclty lifted from the end of chapter quizes. And the "exam sim" has only one mode - test mode of all the possible questions, with no "instant explanation" or links to more info.

Buy the book for the text, buyer beware of the CD.


26 Excellent!
The CCNP Building Scalable Cisco Networks Study Guide is the perfect book to use to pass your Routing 2.0 exam. The book doesn't read like a technical manual, yet there is plenty of technical information included. There are lots of funny side notes that keep you from drifting into space. I used this book as an addition to attending instructor-lead training.
27 Switching simplified.
My knowledge of switching techniques is greatly increased over the past several months and one reason is due to books like this one. The authors ability to detail complex topics and yet simplify the explanation is making is easier for every day.

In this 620 plus page book, that can be used in a classroom environment, start the road to certification with an introduction to switching and layers 2, 3 and 4 and then is continues with switch block concepts, this is the first book I know of to cover this topic.

The authors then explain VLAN and spanning tree protocols very well, they make every attempt to give you more than enough information. Also another first time topic is the Inter-Vlan.

You then go into multi-layer switching, HSRP, multi-casting, Diagnostics and remote management. As with other books from Osborne there is practice questions, exercises, lab questions and a self-test all this coupled with an abundance of diagrams, figures, router screen shots and tables.

Finally another Osborne standard is the cd, this one has over 200 questions and is put together with ExamSim and CertTrainer. The layout of this book is more that exam material it is material that can be used for later reference.


28 Excellent breakdown for the new exam.
Every technician will tell you that hardware support is always tough when you so many parts to keep track of. Osborne's has taken the time to make sure that you are given a book that will not only train you in support of Cisco products but also be used in troubleshooting.

The author's start off the book with support resources, things like tools, analyzers, network monitors are covered. Then you move on to troubleshooting methods. The author has put together an excellent breakdown of the problem-solving model.

The best thing about the model is the fact that is can be used in all aspects of troubleshooting. The areas of troubleshooting that are covered in the book include Lans, WANS, troubleshooting tools, frame relay and ISDN.

Another plus for the book is that there is also non-hardware troubleshooting covered in topics like Routing protocols of RIP, OSPF, IGRP, EIRGP and BGP. IP and AppleTalk as well as IOS Commands and are given coverage.

For the first time I know there is coverage of VLANs with routing and switching troubleshooting covered. All this in 900 pages and coupled with the practice cd with over 200 questions and this might be one of the best values I have seen this year.


29 Breakdowns routing to the basics.
CCNP has several exams, Routing is one the tougher and therefore you'll need to make that the right material is chosen to study from. This book may be one of the chosen few.

The authors start off with IP routing and addressing fundamentals which is the base of the foundation in routing. There is then 170 pages of coverage for OSPF, which tackles operation, configuration in the simple and multiple areas and WANS.

Then you'll move on to EIRGP in both the large and small networks followed up by BGP uses, messages, monitoring and scalability, which is detailed in 140-page breakdown. These two protocols are covered about the best I have seen so far.

While the book doesn't cover IGRP there is coverage of filtering, policies and mappings. There are exercises, self-tests and lab questions at the end of every chapter and tips and exam watch notes throughout the book making your studying a little easier.

The additional cd included comes with over 200 practice questions fro the exam 640-503. Also included is the software packages ExamSim and CertTrainer to round out a very complete package.


30 Material too outdated
This would have been a better book if the technical editors did a better job at catching outdated material, and technical errors.
31 FIRST COMPLETE CISCO 640-503 EXAM BOOK
I have been reading this book for 3 weeks now and I think it is easy to understand, precise to the point and the first complete Book in my Opinion for the exam 640-503. The little notes from the classroom and Scenarios are particularly very helpful. The electronics book on the CD is great. However, on the CD included with the product, there is a programme called "Skill Assessor" which is either not included or I cannot find. Also the CD is suppose to talk when played on a standard CD Rom - this is not happening either, hence the 4 Stars Rating.
32 A lot of help for the new Support Exam
I picked this book up about a week ago for the new Support exam, and it's been a great help. It's a big book, and every page I've read thus far(almost all of them!) has had a ton of pertinent and useful information on them. Kudos to the authors on this one!

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